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Date: 6/7/2010 5:37:01 PM
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hi there

i hope to start a discussion on the tactic option of foul trouble - sit them or let them play
from my experience, the game engine doesn't realy punish a player with foul trouble
many times i see a player with 4 fouls in the 1st quarter and none till the end.
even though i read somewhere, that it does affect his defensive intensity

so, i wish to hear your opinions
does let them play is clearly the better option?
if not, under which circumstances would you choose any of the options?

From: rcvaz

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146017.3 in reply to 146017.2
Date: 6/7/2010 6:16:22 PM
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I usually "sit them", but I tend to disagree with the coach's usual options when managing a player in foul trouble.

For instance, in my last game, my starting SG picked up 2 fouls in the first 4 minutes of the game and went to the bench. I would want him to return sometime in the 2nd quarter to play the rest of the half. But in this game he returned w/ 3 mins left in the first and guess what... picked up his 3rd foul :P

I would have had him sitting out the rest of the half, which my coach did, giving my backup PG 2 mins at SG. But then I would have him on the court right from the beginning of the 3rd! I've had situations like this in which a player w/ 3 fouls ends up spending a lot of 3rd quarter time on the bench before returning.

Maybe in the future we may have more detailed instructions regarding foul trouble.

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146017.5 in reply to 146017.4
Date: 6/7/2010 6:40:43 PM
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I agree, that's basically what I would be looking for, and it would be the expected "default" choice. Then there are small nuances. Sometimes Dwight Howard is left in the 3rd w/ 4 fouls. As for the timing chosen to bring back your superstar with 5 fouls, we could create an algorithm, depending on how long the player has been out of the game, if his team is winning or not, etc

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146017.6 in reply to 146017.3
Date: 6/8/2010 5:54:06 AM
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thanks for the replies

if you usualy play "sit them", when do choose otherwise?
would you still sit them in an important playoff game when its "win or go home"?

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Date: 6/8/2010 7:52:38 AM
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thanks for the replies

if you usualy play "sit them", when do choose otherwise?
would you still sit them in an important playoff game when its "win or go home"?

I almost always set it on "Let Them Play" the only time I would consider otherwise would be the playoffs but I still do LTP. I do it because I want my minutes and I have chosen players who normally don't have an issue with fouls.

Now one of your earlier comments is you have seen players pick up 4 early fouls and then none for the rest of the game so it doesn't seem to be a concern. Yes they can avoid getting their 5th and 6th fouls and stay in their game but the more fouls a player has the weaker his defense will be because he cannot play as aggressively. The GE factors in fouls just like in real life that if a player is in foul trouble he will be more cautious with his actions thus allowing some players to score on him that he would usually stop if he had no fouls.



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146017.8 in reply to 146017.6
Date: 6/8/2010 7:52:58 AM
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In scrimmages, when I have a guy who needs to play the whole 48 mins, I "let them play".

For big time games, it depends. If I'm playing a better team and absolutely need my best guys out there to level the field, then it may be worth risking "let them play". It also depends on your players, if they are prone to fouling or not. If your team doesn't commit many fouls then it's a smaller risk letting them stay out there

From: CrazyEye

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146017.10 in reply to 146017.9
Date: 6/8/2010 11:32:00 AM
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The GE factors in fouls just like in real life that if a player is in foul trouble he will be more cautious with his actions thus allowing some players to score on him that he would usually stop if he had no fouls.


That's interesting, has this been proven? I didn't know the GE would go that far to simulate foul trouble.


i donb't think that it is proven, but i believe it too - would also make sense in combination with their reduced defence the engine gives player in foultrouble.

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Date: 6/8/2010 12:14:16 PM
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@CrazyEye - Cmon CrazyEye, I referenced that off your "Aussagen der BB" post ;)