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From: Duke
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145838.1
Date: 6/5/2010 6:06:44 PM
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I've got a 7'0 big who is 19, he's got the following attributes:

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: awful Handling: respectable
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: prolific ↑ Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: strong Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: respectable

I'd like to power train him at the PG or SG position. Is this even profitable? How much would you anticipate his height slowing the training process?

I'd appreciate some educated guesses or, even better, hear from someone who has experimented with training big guards.

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145838.3 in reply to 145838.1
Date: 6/5/2010 8:10:47 PM
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i do not think it wil lbe worth it. It has taken me a good chunk of my season to get my 18 year old 6"7 SF from inept to respectable OD. if you start training his OD next season, its going to take a long time at his height an age. If you do want him to be more versitile, i suggest you do work on some guard skills and make him a PF (he already really looks like one). THough he is a great trainee, just needs a bot of tweaking in the guard skills, but i do not suggest that you overdue it, because it probably wont be worth it.

From: iwen

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145838.4 in reply to 145838.1
Date: 6/5/2010 8:23:05 PM
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I have a big who started as a C, who I've been converting to a SF ever since.

Age 21, Height 6'8"

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: prominent ↑ Handling: proficient
Driving: mediocre Passing: average
Inside Shot: sensational Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: average

Those are his stats right now, he started off with Inept OD, and Awful JS, so for me to get him to that level took a lot of sacrifice (like tanking a whole season in Div II just to train him at PG. By the time he's 23, he should be Wondrous OD, and high levels 10+ in passing and JS. He won't be a finished product until he's 25 though, so it is a lot of investment.

As for training pops, I get 1 OD pop every 3 weeks. Which I'm happy with.

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145838.5 in reply to 145838.1
Date: 6/5/2010 9:22:06 PM
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I'd make him a PF,just train JS and passing and your player will be really good,if he has a good potential

I'd not train OD and JR because it would take too much time,and would turn your future top PF into a just fine SF

I have a 6' 10'' SF and it's really hard to train OD and JR (4 weeks),I dont know if other managers agree but I think PA is not that slow,my big got pop every 2 or 3 weeks depending on sublevels

From: Duke
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145838.6 in reply to 145838.5
Date: 6/5/2010 10:54:29 PM
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Another factor is this - Bigs get expensive fast, but, if I convert him to a SF via guard training, I don't decimate my economy with a ridiculously overpaid center. I've got two other bigs a bit better than he is, so I figure I can get away with experimenting a bit. Do you all who train pressure/OD do 1 or 2 position training? Is it still about 4 weeks between pops even with 1 position training?

From: JohnnyB

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145838.7 in reply to 145838.1
Date: 6/6/2010 12:46:23 PM
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The best bet with him is to make him a PF. 6-7 OD, would be enough, JS 11-12, JR 3-4, and his inside skills as much as you can get. While you will not be able to afford his salary, his transfer price would hit limit up...His passing is more than enough as a big man for my taste

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145838.9 in reply to 145838.8
Date: 6/7/2010 6:20:44 AM
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Yes maybe it was hyperbole after all. I needed 3 seasons to take my 6'5 player his ID from 5 to 9 (not always 1 position though), so yes you are right...

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145838.10 in reply to 145838.5
Date: 6/7/2010 6:29:30 AM
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Height doesn't influence the passing pop!

With 19 years old you could get a pop in passing every 2 weeks

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145838.11 in reply to 145838.10
Date: 6/7/2010 12:02:45 PM
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That interesting... I am of the opinion that when you are competing in higher leagues, the secondary skills become increasingly important as they can become exposed more easily. For example, a C/PF with poor OD and poor passing, handling seems to be more foul and turnover prone.

For example, on Satuday, I played (22917). He's got a 109k center, but I theorized (with the advice of another team who beat him earlier in the season,) that Princeton or an Outside oriented offense could get him in foul trouble. Lo and behold, he picked up two quickies in the first, and a third midway throught the second. Now, that being said, he didn't pick up any more in the second half (coaching adjustments in the GE, I imagine).

All that to say - do secondary skills play a more important role in higher leagues, and if this is in fact true, would it not make sense to train your bigs secondary skills (or your guards inside skills, we all know how irritating it is for those guards to miss open layups...)? Wouldn't the recent change of being able to individually assign players defensive positions support and encourage secondary skill training? After all, I can play my 7 footer at PG on offense to get training minutes but drop him to the PF/C position on defense.